Craziness Again

Nile · Craziness Again

Well, here we go again with the craziness. I suppose you heard about the Fort Hood mess in Texas. 13 people dead, a Major in the Army went berserk. About to go to Afghanistan for his first deployment there. By the name of Nidal Malik Hasan. Went to college at Virginia Tech, born in the U.S.A. but of Arab descent. Loyalties and care to people other than his comrades. Dead 19 year olds, a pregnant 21 year old girl, a 62 year old.

Then today in Orlando, Florida. An office worker went beserk. Killed people.

W H Y ?

Corgi kid

I dont think anybody would be able to give you the answer to that Nile. Plenty of people go off the rails for different reasons, but to ruin the lives of others along the way is dreadful. Its as though they want to go out in a blaze of glory. Pathetic really.

orinocowomble

Do you think it's made easier with the ready availability of firearms, and the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

keesie25

Nile, sorry to hear that. It went past me because I was working yesterday, and after that had sportive obligations, so no time to watch the news. These things that people do to others, unbelievable. A well brought up person doing things like that. It happens all the time, and more. You are lucky when you are not part of it these days. There are so many examples like the ones you mention. Personally I think the fire arms laws are not strict enough. No human being other than law-people should carry guns, but if you can buy them on every street corner, you are bound to have trouble. The gouvernments of a lot of countries do not help either. It might be wierd to give examples different or similar to the ones you mention, but last week a long life pedorist here (job:giving swimming lessons to kids....) was sent home, because there is not enough jail-space, another one sent on temporary leave, and of course, while on leave he did 'it' again. The whole neighbourhood making plans against this guy, because you can't rely on the gouvernment. An interview with the major, saying : 'he will do something, in time'.
Personally, I do not trust gouvernments full stop. You are just lucky when you are no part of whatever mentioned above.

Oh, when I got home yesterday, found a speeding ticket in the mail. Yes sir, on an 80 kilometer road I did 86, and I have to pay 31 euros. I have to pay that within....date mentioned. I am a true criminal.

sandie seward

At the risk of being controversial here, I'm sorry, but that US Major who shot his comrades-in-arms was not a "true" American. With a name like his and he must have been harbouring a lot of hatred and resentment against his fellow soldiers for all that is happening in Afghanistan......to what he obviously feels are his true kinsfolk!

America took his parents in, gave them a chance of a new life and some real hope for the future, they had a son who, instead of his feeling that he was a "real" American, partly because of his name and partly because he probably felt that he would rather side with the Taliban than his own Army, did what he did.

Regarding gun laws. Personally, I wish that we in the U.K. had the right to bear arms and to keep a gun for defence purposes. the real reason why we do not have that freedom is simply due to the insurgence and near anarchy that took place in Britain with the strikes and industrial relations breakdown just before the First World War.

After that, Britons were no longer allowed to carry weapons.

Gun laws would not have stopped that US Major doing what he did. They were in an Army Base, where guns are easy to get hold of anyway.

Nile

Sandie, I completely agree with you. If you take away guns from all the citizens then it will be butcher knives, then hatchets, then saws. Guns were taken away from various countries in the forties, Europe and look what happened. The townsfolk have nothing then to defend themselves with. Remember seeing pictures and paintings of townspeople all revolting carrying rakes, shovels, and pickaxes?
I have had a shotgun since the age of 9. I bought it with my own money from mowing lawns, shoveling snow and other child kinds of jobs. I went to the sporting goods store with my Father (of course), and bought a 410 gauge shotgun. It was a take apart that could be assembled and disassembled in literally seconds. My Dad and I along with my Grandfather would go squirrel hunting, often. I remember those days and they were some of the best days in my life. I just sold that shotgun approximately 4 months ago to a collector. was taught gun safety and I treated it as a potential deadly item. I kept it in my closet, cleaned it regularly and never showed it to any my friends fearing they would not have the same regard for it that I did. We went to the target range as well, not on a regular basis but we did. My Dad had his Army officer's pistol in his top dresser drawer. There is a state, Montana I believe, where it is required that every family own a firearm.
When you take away guns from everyone, the crminals will be the only ones that have them. It isn't the gun that just pulled the trigger all by itself. Somebody had to do it.

keesie25

True, when you forbid guns, people can't defend themselves. I think my 'first' opinion is based on the fact carrying guns are forbidden in this country.

This reminds me a Mannlicher Carcano rifle could we bought for $ 19,95 in 1963. A US friend told me later he remembered it was actually only $ 9,95 in supermarkets. You could change the world with that.

MISTER C

Well I worked/supervised Arab's for 3 years and I would trust them as far as I could throw them ............

with a "broken" arm

koenig

Guzzi Gadgy

Nile like yourself I had guns from a young age, airguns first then shotguns all bought with money I earned from paper rounds etc. You could get a licence from your Post Office that allowed you to posess them. When I was old enough I got a Firearms cert. that allowed me a .22 rifle for shooting rabbits etc. Much later I joined a Gun Club as you could not have handguns for hunting only for sport (target) and then only on approved ranges. At that time and for years after you could have any rifle or handgun in any caliber if you showed you had use for it. Only fully auto were banned to civvis. After Hungerford they banned fullbore selfloading rifles you could still have smallbore .22 selfloading, fullbore had to be bolt or pump. Then Dunblane happened and they banned all handguns including .22 if you repressented the UK you had to go abroad to practice. Nothern Ireland which is part of the UK could still have handguns. So the sport of shooting was finished to a great extent. Knee jerk reactions Never work. Now you have more guns on the street than has ever been, at least they knew where ours were. There is one of the Euapeon country where every one over a certain age is in the armed forces and has firearms in the house. No gun crime. Some states in Arizona allow conceled carry, that puts the badies off.

Outlaw guns and only the outlaws will have them. It's happened here
Sorry about the rant but I do feel strongly about this. In away the only people to gain out of this was us shooters. We lost our sport but were paid a lot of money in compensation and this figure will never be made public to the tax payer. Just to finish I was a shooter not a gun nut, I used my guns for sport and hunting, not as some phalic symbol to fantisies or drool over.

Ian

sandie seward

Ian I think the country you are referring to is Switzerland. There, each householder is allowed to have a gun, and the young men have to serve a term in the armed forces.....and this in a Neutral Country!

Nile

In the states of the US that are liberal about gun laws, the incidence of gun violence is lower. Go figure.

dean3324

I really cant understand this much.

No belief in any thing, we are what we are. But how many want to believe that when they fade out of existince?

Belief we were planted by some UFO as either an experiment or what. Really weird.

Belief in One God, or Allah, Buddah, or a multitude that control things based on how we act. A prime example that what you put in is what you can reap.

But WHO in their right mind can seriously think any 'good' God would give you the gift of virgins for the complete decimation of yourself, your people, or a supposed enemy to your state. After all in the history of man we have all been wrong and how much of a jack*ss would you feel if you blew up a mall only to find out when you get there you killed all innocents and were banished for your 'holy' action?

No quite frankly the American justice system is to liberal when it comes to what they can do with supposed criminals or mentally challenged individuals. Our gun laws strictly forbade anyone who is mentally challenged from buying any firearms but if you are declared mentally unfit there is no seizure of your property of such. A man locally was picked up, known to be 'nuts' known to the police to have made threatening internety posts and was even picked up on claims he walked into a building with a grenade! Yet he is able to walk in a health spa about two months later and kill a dozen people. Same with the great 'Colombine Massacre' blame video games pah! How does someone with a garage not notice the sudden sprout of fertilizer, pipes, and propane and not notice something wrong? let alone when the judge has them two weeks before their attack and no one thinks to look more closely.

I for one own guns, I am proud to own them, I dont think I will ever need them to take out mutant zombies, but I am trained to use and God hoping i never need to but I would put myself and them between any midnight 'guest' the dog cant handle alone.

I will now get off my soapbox

Nile

Well said Dean..... This business at Ft. Hood is exactly what you're talking about. The guy that did all the shooting tried unsuccessfully to get out of deployment to Afghanistan, the government said no. He then tried to leave the military and again the government said no. The government said they had invested too much money in educating him and training for him to leave. He then said I will pay pack every last cent. The government said no. He walked around with a pillbox hat and the rest of the garb customary of an Arab. Then he wrote a paper about "Martyrdom Compared To Suicide". He had other adjustment past problems in his career with regard to his views on differences with heritage and all that. Yet, the government chose to send him to the most volatile, corrupt, brutal, polarized country in the world. In my idea the American Military was partly maybe even mostly to blame for the mess. Being politically correct might not be the best course to take in all cases.

Guzzi Gadgy

I think your both right and surely somebody must have noticed his behavior maybe they didn't want to rock the boat. We have a serviceman over here who has even been on marches protesting about the conflict and refusing to go back. He should have been locked up in Colchester straight away. Once you accept the Queens shilling you don't get to pick if or where you fight. He should be put in a boxing ring with the brave men he has deserted, let them sort this coward out.

Ian

Nile

I agree with you Ian. If you take an oath, and you are in some service you might not agree with everything, but you swore to do it so do it you must.